sales tax, correct? >> well, it's not quite. progressive is important to me, i don't want people to pay taxes if they have $20,000 a year worth of income. but at 30,000, i might like for people to pay $1. just $1. so they have a legitimate claim for saying, i'm part of the society, and i don't pay a lot, but i do pay something. everybody participates, and there's no game playing, it's a very efficient way to raise revenue. right now, it costs us $431 billion a year to administer the tax system we have, and the tax gap, the money we're not collecting that's theoretically owed is $400 billion a year. we could do better than that, we can think better than that. and the president needs to lay that out for us. >> even if we get more growth, we're still finding it difficult to get unemployment down. elaine cho served as george w. bush's secretary of labor. what would you do to create more jobs in america? >> i think you have to keep the tax rate low, they're a direct burden on the resources of the employer. th